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(the question is aimed only for FMA03 and not FMAB as suggested from the title and contains uncovered spoilers for the anime)

I have a little trouble that the homunculi called after the 7 sins by FMA03 way, and I will explain.

In the FMA03 anime homunculi are created by failed human transmission, if that so, what makes them go by the title of the "7 sins" as Envy, Pride Lust an etc., it's hard to me because: if there were than more 7 people in the world trying human transmission what they would called? second what makes them to be after the 7 sins in their behaviour if they are "failed" and didn't deliberately created? my main issue is, why they needed to be called after the 7 sins anyway? what for?

I thought this through and this is what I got:

  • I could have said that Dante made them that way by make them eat the red stones and by that they got those emotions and behaviour, by Dante management, it could were the truth if not for the creation of Wrath that didn't made to be look like human by Dante and his behaviour was "Wrath" from it's origin and didn't grow up by intervention. (which is another question not for here, how it grew up to be human shape without red stones)

  • I could say that is only Dante way to call her fellow homunculi after the 7 sins, but in this way I will have to say that she couldn't except that Izumi's homunculi will be Wrath or any other sins to go after some pattern unless we will say the first answer.

  • I could say to answer for both of those answers that Dante knows that the spirits for the homunculi behind the gate can be only one of the 7 sins, but this one not only needs hard evidence but hard to say since there can be 2 or even 3 Pride or Lust.

Anyway I would glad to be enlighten or I missed a thing.

USerNAme
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  • i would think they just get other names. i get the feeling that tying the Homunculi to Father purging himself of Sin wasn't originally the idea and if they needed more Christian "evil" names there is The Devil who went under a number of them like Satan and Beelzebub – Memor-X May 12 '20 at 00:46
  • *"Dante knows that the spirits for the homunculi behind the gate"* depending on your belief if that spirit = soul then that would mean that the homunculi have souls which is actually the opposite. Majhal pointed out that homunculi don't have souls which was the point of his attempts, to bind Karin's soul to one of his homunculi, Dante's homunculi are a bit different in that they ate Red Stone which we can assume stabilized them following their creation from the rebounded alchemy (ie. Sloth) – Memor-X May 12 '20 at 00:53
  • @Memor-X that's the reason I called it **spirit** and not soul, though it doesn't have a soul it must have some spirit so it won't be just body. – USerNAme May 12 '20 at 01:01
  • Just to clarify (I have only read the manga and have not watched the anime), regarding your first point, are you asking why they are named 7 sins if there can be more than 7 of them for each sin? – W. Are May 15 '20 at 14:52
  • @W.Are mu]y main point is - why dante needs homunculi that form the 7 sins? for what reason? unlike the manga (or the fmab anime) it isn't necessary for dante to have 7 homunculi of 7 sins for her purpose. – USerNAme May 16 '20 at 22:11

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As far as I know, there is no certain canon answer but there are quite some hints.

  • At the end of FMA03 we see Dante doing something to Gluttony removing his intelligence and personality and replacing them with an endless hunger for energy. So Dante being directly responsible for the 7 sins symbolism is not out of the question but it does not quite add up.
  • Since every homunculus follows the theme of their name, we can rule out the possibility that it is just Dante calling them names.
  • This "spirits of homunculi"-idea is based on Wrath (Sensei's homunculus), right? He tells Ed about his time behind the gate and how he acquired Ed's limbs. But he never said anything about originating there. Unlike Manga or Brotherhood, there is no connection between Homunculi and the shadows behind the Gate. Sensei created Wrath after losing her child and after realizing her mistake, she put him on the other side of the (still open) Door. 2003 Humunculi are just sentient bodies that are very similar to humans but have neither soul nor a healthy personality.

I originally thought that the 2003 homunculi followed the sin that led to their creation but while Lust was created by her lover, Envy was created by Hohenheim back when he thought himself to be omnipotent. So it is safe to say that the homunculi are by nature always "born" into challenging circumstances and are unable to form meaningful relationships to process them. Dante might influence them to make them easier to control but even without her, they are unhealthy beings that are driven towards spoiled and extreme personalities.

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  • Though you haven't answered directly, you answered, and a good one - you said well that they are "grown" into that, even without Dante influence, she just called them the way they are growing to. but it still seems hard to me since it doesn't answer the point - in your case - why didn't two homunculi went the same way? from your answer, it is possible. – USerNAme May 21 '20 at 23:39
  • After some thought I came up with the solution from your answer: though the homunculi could grow to some emotion, the homunculi she gathered are either grower to their emotion or manipulate by dante for that (as we see with Gluttony), sometimes even both, in that way she could even manipulate Izumi's homunculi, though we didn't see it, it could be. that way she would have any homunculi with the 7 sins being her delivers (unlike Father in manga/fmab that wanted to get rid of them), that's seem reasonable. – USerNAme May 22 '20 at 00:12
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The 2003 anime is not exactly canon, it doesn't follow the manga (because the manga was incomplete at the time).

Therefore there may be inconsistencies in the 2003 anime, at a certain point they had to make up episodes as there was no manga plot to draw on anymore.

In the 2003 anime, the Homunculi are simply created during human transmutation that fails and the homunculi comes into contact with a red stone. It's an incomplete human transmutation that gained some kind of power to exist via the red stone which has souls. Without the red stone, the homunculi ends up dying soon after creation.

As far as the names given to these, it's clearly because they are incomplete. A complete human in theory has all of these emotions, and thus they kind of balance each other out (of course in real life many people have more of one than others).

As far as the names for some other homunculi created by other people, well they should follow the same rules. Just imagine that if there were hundreds of homunculi around the world in the hypothetical world of the anime, that there could be dozens of lust, greed, envy etc homunculi (obviously they would look different as well).

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  • The all "fma2003 isn't following the manga" I knew and that's basically my point of this question, it doesn't says the writers for the series didn't think but created new logic. and you haven't answered the second point - as you were said, those are incomplete human so they won't have full emotion, I understand that, so there will be one emotion at per failed human transmutation, so why Dante gathered 7 homunculi of 7 emotions and don't have 2 or 3 homunculi per emotion, like 2 pride and 2 lust, you haven't answered that problem in my question. – USerNAme May 14 '20 at 11:44
  • @USerNAme But why would he need 2 prides or 2 lusts in the first place? – W. Are May 15 '20 at 14:51
  • @Michael Irving you missing my point, Dante only need homunculi for her ambitions, for that what it matters 2 or 3 homunculi of the same emotion? unless there's some good reason, and that's my question main point. – USerNAme May 16 '20 at 22:07